tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post7654230221104979126..comments2024-02-14T22:50:48.749+10:30Comments on Bill Kerr: just the facts about online youth victimisationBill Kerrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00206808014093631762noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post-31496393553366304272007-06-08T15:34:00.000+09:302007-06-08T15:34:00.000+09:30hi john,mmm ... how to deal with social software s...hi john,<BR/><BR/>mmm ... how to deal with social software sensibly?<BR/><BR/>my post was an annoyed and limited reaction against some ignorant, bland stuff that has been going around and influencing me as well as others - I need to extend some of that a bit further wrt porn and cyber bullying (not covered in my post)<BR/><BR/>you are raising the "whole thing", social software - that's enormous<BR/><BR/>there are a lot of hidden assumptions and traditions that need to be thrown into the mix IMO<BR/><BR/>we operate in a world of markets - off the shelf products designed for "end users" - FOSS and the evolution of social software is starting to undermine all of that, but it's early days<BR/><BR/>we are dealing with technology that is disruptive to the normal traditional practice of School - and disruptive technology is not going to go away<BR/><BR/>paradigm shift is not "sensible", or is only seen as sensible after the event<BR/><BR/>software can be written to reflect the values of a community, ie. the community and software co-evolve<BR/><BR/>usenet was unsophisticated and ended in flame wars<BR/><BR/>slashdot has a community regulated karma system, wikipedia has tightened up as it has become bigger and more mainstream, successful systems have learnt better ways to protect themselves and that they have to protect themselves<BR/><BR/>we need human mediated software development based on articulated needs of the net savvy teachers<BR/><BR/>instead in South Australia we got a crude, inflexible technologically imposed filtering system, which I have <A HREF="http://billkerr.blogspot.com/2006/01/school-administrators-dilemma.html" REL="nofollow"> critiqued earlier</A><BR/><BR/>your question is too big for me at the moment (sorry, I'm preoccupied) but i would recommend reading some clay shirky and danah boyd, who have researched and outlined some of the big issues clearly, they both write on the <A HREF="http://many.corante.com/" REL="nofollow">many-2-many </A> forum (archive and home links provided there)Bill Kerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00206808014093631762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post-63786540803080647282007-06-08T12:51:00.000+09:302007-06-08T12:51:00.000+09:30Very good comment Bill, and I daresay, a corageous...Very good comment Bill, and I daresay, a corageous one. And of course an inconvenient one becuase it suggests a complex answer rather than a simple one (blame the internet). <BR/>I guess one of the key steps to addressing the issue is for teachers and principals to have a better understanding of the nature of social software, so that they can discuss how to deal with it sensibly. How to do that? I'd be interested in ideas on this.John Travershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17098020237048488575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post-14395274637913978072007-06-03T09:45:00.000+09:302007-06-03T09:45:00.000+09:30hi graham, vicki,I did print off and read the init...hi graham, vicki,<BR/><BR/>I did print off and read the initial presentations of the 4 speakers and listened to the whole tape, which includes the discussion and questions from the audience.<BR/><BR/>My blog post refers mainly to the early facts stressed by Finkelor and Ybarra, who are regarded as the current authorities. <BR/><BR/>The later qualitative discussion initiated by danah boyd about internet mirroring and magnification may be more important. She is raising some of the issues we really need to talk about. <BR/><BR/>One point that danah made is that teens see sexual solicitation as just another form of spam (like a viagra advert) and normally delete it. For the same reason teens don't like email (prefer IM, SMS, social networking sites) in part because email is more likely to be full of spam.<BR/><BR/>Another point she made is that the sort of things happening online are similar to things happening off line but for the first time in history we now have a mirror which records what is happening. Before parents and adults could guess but now we are in the position to know, that the internet is an open book. (Unless we move into encryption, which people might do to protect their privacy.) What are we going to do with this new knowledge? How will we use it? Difficult issue.Bill Kerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00206808014093631762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post-91696187586829051222007-06-03T01:01:00.000+09:302007-06-03T01:01:00.000+09:30Great post. I'm going to look at the articles and...Great post. I'm going to look at the articles and thank you Graham for twitting about it here! This is a great resource for us to read and understand. <BR/><BR/>We fear the unknown and resist change. We must learn to let change become a lifestyle and move out of the ruts that eventually limit our movement into the future.Vicki Davis @coolcatteacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549879610620143027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29868932.post-84516396357346104402007-06-02T22:45:00.000+09:302007-06-02T22:45:00.000+09:30Bill, I mentioned some of these findings at the Pa...Bill, I mentioned some of these findings at the Parent Internet Awareness night I ran at my school. I made the same point that you have identified that these risky behaviours point to bigger issues in parenting and social lives of teenagers - I think I made the comment that kids doing some of this have difficult home lives - a parent's comment back was that was becoming the norm. Even with that in mind, it is still not technology causing the problem, and some of the advice designed to protect kids is actually pointless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com